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Ср Янв 18 12:51:50 MSK 2006

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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:20:38 -0800
From: Paul Johnson <baloo на ursine.ca>
To: psi-devel на lists.affinix.com
Subject: Re: [Psi-devel] google federates
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On Tuesday 17 January 2006 10:12, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:

> Don't be kidding. How many times you do something like this? I've 10-20
> spammers daily from ICQ transport and I don't want to have such
> situation on Jabber.

I solved this one by letting everybody on my ICQ list know I was tired of 
trying to figure out what number belonged to who whenever ICQ got tired of 
keeping the names I set and the problems the ICQ transports were having with 
ICQ for a while, showed them how to switch, and eliminated ICQ from my circle 
of contacts.

I've since done that with MSN and Yahoo, I'm currently in the process of 
getting the last 19 people on my AIM list to quit holding out.

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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:30:04 -0800
From: Paul Johnson <baloo на ursine.ca>
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Subject: Re: [Psi-devel] google federates
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On Tuesday 17 January 2006 11:20, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:

> I did. The answer is always the same: "everybody uses GG, you go install
> this." :( As for now I have three contacts on ICQ (+over dozen spammers
> daily) - it used to be much much more, one on Jabber. Instant messaging
> sucks these days :(

Ask them what the world would be like if SMTP never unified email and ask them 
for GG's RFC number in the IETF standards.  :o)

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----- Forwarded message from Maciek Niedzielski <machekku на miroku.uaznia.net> -----

Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:24:06 +0100
From: Maciek Niedzielski <machekku на miroku.uaznia.net>
To: Psi Development <psi-devel на lists.affinix.com>
Subject: Re: [Psi-devel] google federates
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Michal Kochanowicz wrote:
>>> Still I think that problem with spam (don't you get any?) is far more
>>> common than with being overpopular.
>> I get more unneeded auth requests than spam. And the only spam I get is
>> from GG transport, and I don't think s2s could solve much here.
> 
> I get spam from ICQ but I'm afraid same will happen if Jabber ever gets
> more popular.

It's "a bit" easier to guess a valid ICQ "id" than a valid JID.

>>> I'm damn tired of spam (I get many times more spam than legitimate
>>> messages) and I welcome everything what can reduce its volume.
>> Ask your friends to switch to Jabber and unregister from ICQ transport :)
> 
> I did. The answer is always the same: "everybody uses GG, you go install
> this." :(

I don't get so much spam on GG - maybe it's worth switching from ICQ to GG?

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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:55:16 +0100
From: Michal Kochanowicz <michal на michal.waw.pl>
To: Psi Development <psi-devel на lists.affinix.com>
Subject: Re: [Psi-devel] google federates
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On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 08:24:06PM +0100, Maciek Niedzielski wrote:
> >>> I'm damn tired of spam (I get many times more spam than legitimate
> >>> messages) and I welcome everything what can reduce its volume.
> >> Ask your friends to switch to Jabber and unregister from ICQ transport :)
> > 
> > I did. The answer is always the same: "everybody uses GG, you go install
> > this." :(
> 
> I don't get so much spam on GG - maybe it's worth switching from ICQ to GG?

No, for two reasons:
1. 33% of my ICQ contacts is abroad and I don't expect "them" to install
   GG.
2. For me GG is an emblem of destruction of idea of universal
   communicator. It was first in Poland and opended Pandoras box. Do you
   know any other country in which you have so many LOCAL
   communicators?? In Poland there are at least GG, O2, WPKontakt (it's
   jabber but this fact is not being advertised).

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----- Forwarded message from Norman Rasmussen <norman на rasmussen.co.za> -----

Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:43:18 +0200
From: Norman Rasmussen <norman на rasmussen.co.za>
To: Psi Development <psi-devel на lists.affinix.com>
Subject: Re: [Psi-devel] google federates
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bah, if msn/aim/icq/yahoo/gg/skype don't open to xmpp in the next year
or two, they're just asking for trouble.

On 1/17/06, Michal Kochanowicz <michal на michal.waw.pl> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 08:24:06PM +0100, Maciek Niedzielski wrote:
> > >>> I'm damn tired of spam (I get many times more spam than legitimate
> > >>> messages) and I welcome everything what can reduce its volume.
> > >> Ask your friends to switch to Jabber and unregister from ICQ transport :)
> > >
> > > I did. The answer is always the same: "everybody uses GG, you go install
> > > this." :(
> >
> > I don't get so much spam on GG - maybe it's worth switching from ICQ to GG?
>
> No, for two reasons:
> 1. 33% of my ICQ contacts is abroad and I don't expect "them" to install
>    GG.
> 2. For me GG is an emblem of destruction of idea of universal
>    communicator. It was first in Poland and opended Pandoras box. Do you
>    know any other country in which you have so many LOCAL
>    communicators?? In Poland there are at least GG, O2, WPKontakt (it's
>    jabber but this fact is not being advertised).
>

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